Missing Stop Sequences/Naptan ID Mismatch/Issue with API Bus arrivals

Unified API
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Date: 25/1/24
Stops with Empty Arrivals Now Fixed:

  • Colebrook Lane (150042005009)

  • Hallsville Road (490000345Z)

  • Beckton Station (490002011H)

  • Hackney Town Hall (490007626A)

Issues/others:

  • 246 towards Westerham is missing Biggin Hill Memorial Museum (490002120Z)

  • EL1 & EL3 towards Ilford & Little Heath is missing Barking Riverside Station (490002272YX)

  • EL3 towards Little Heath is missing Mallards Road / River Road (490000910Z)

  • N53 towards Whitehall is missing Westminster Stn / Parliament Square (490015048A)

  • N199 towards Trafalgar Square is missing Bromley South Station (490001037A)

Naptan Code Mismatches / Empty Arrivals:

  • No arrival data for Liverpool Street Station (490000138B)

  • No arrival data for Crescent Road (490019479S)

  • No arrival data for Plevna Road (49000HC186NE)

  • No arrival data for Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN)

  • No arrival data for Bostall Heath (490009330Y)

  • No arrival data for Queens Road (490008811Z)

  • No arrival data for Mount Pleasant Road (490000875X)

  • No arrival data for Valley Road Surgery (490002131HAR)

  • No arrival data for Valley Field Road (490002132HAR)

  • No arrival data for Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • No arrival data for Mallards Road / River Road (490000910Z)

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Slough:

  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700158
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700086
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700075
  • “Slough Grammar School” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700308
  • “Sorting Office” Should be (Wexham Road) 03700310

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Hounslow:

  • “Uxbridge Road Sainsbury’s” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700309
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700074
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700087
  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700157
102

Date: 9/2/24
Stops with Empty Arrivals Now Fixed:

  • Mount Pleasant Road (490000875X)

  • Valley Field Road (490002132HAR)

  • Mallards Road / River Road (490000910Z)

Issues/others:

  • 223 towards Harrow View is missing Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • 246 towards Westerham is missing Biggin Hill Memorial Museum (490002120Z)

  • EL1 & EL3 towards Ilford & Little Heath is missing Barking Riverside Station (490002272YX)

  • EL3 towards Little Heath is missing Mallards Road / River Road (490000910Z)

  • U5 towards Uxbridge is missing Queens Road (490008811Z)

  • N53 towards Whitehall is missing Westminster Stn / Parliament Square (490015048A)

  • N199 towards Trafalgar Square is missing Bromley South Station (490001037A)

Naptan Code Mismatches / Empty Arrivals:

  • No arrival data for Liverpool Street Station (490000138B)

  • No arrival data for Crescent Road (490019479S)

  • No arrival data for Plevna Road (49000HC186NE)

  • No arrival data for Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN)

  • No arrival data for Bostall Heath (490009330Y)

  • No arrival data for Queens Road (490008811Z)

  • No arrival data for Valley Road Surgery (490002131HAR)

  • No arrival data for Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • No arrival data for Epping Forest College (150042002100)

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Slough:

  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700158
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700086
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700075
  • “Slough Grammar School” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700308
  • “Sorting Office” Should be (Wexham Road) 03700310

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Hounslow:

  • “Uxbridge Road Sainsbury’s” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700309
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700074
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700087
  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700157
103

Date: 16/2/24
Issues/others:

  • 223 towards Harrow View is missing Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • 246 towards Westerham is missing Biggin Hill Memorial Museum (490002120Z)

  • EL1 & EL3 towards Ilford & Little Heath is missing Barking Riverside Station (490002272YX)

  • EL3 towards Little Heath is missing Mallards Road / River Road (490000910Z)

  • U5 towards Uxbridge is missing Queens Road (490008811Z)

  • N53 towards Whitehall is missing Westminster Stn / Parliament Square (490015048A)

  • N199 towards Trafalgar Square is missing Bromley South Station (490001037A)

Naptan Code Mismatches / Empty Arrivals:

  • No arrival data for Liverpool Street Station (490000138B)

  • No arrival data for Crescent Road (490019479S)

  • No arrival data for Plevna Road (49000HC186NE)

  • No arrival data for Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN)

  • No arrival data for Bostall Heath (490009330Y)

  • No arrival data for Queens Road (490008811Z)

  • No arrival data for Valley Road Surgery (490002131HAR)

  • No arrival data for Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • No arrival data for Epping Forest College (150042002100)

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Slough:

  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700158
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700086
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700075
  • “Slough Grammar School” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700308
  • “Sorting Office” Should be (Wexham Road) 03700310

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Hounslow:

  • “Uxbridge Road Sainsbury’s” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700309
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700074
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700087
  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700157
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600 series (school) routes.

I noticed last week that about 40 of these had disappeared from my bus sequence database update. Their XML timetables were included in last week’s zip as usual. As it was half term and they are now back I assume they were absent from the API because there was no service last week. Is that a bug in the API system or intentional?

If the latter it seems a poor decision. Anyone searching on the website for one of them last week would assume the route does not exist. They don’t run at weekends, nor do many normal routes run on Sunday, but I don’t think that prevents a positive search result (obviously without any live arrivals).

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Date: 22/2/24
Issues/others:

  • 189 towards Brent Cross is missing Priory Road (490011237N)

  • 223 towards Harrow View is missing Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • 246 towards Westerham is missing Biggin Hill Memorial Museum (490002120Z)

  • EL1 & EL3 towards Ilford & Little Heath is missing Barking Riverside Station (490002272YX)

  • EL3 towards Little Heath is missing Mallards Road / River Road (490000910Z)

  • U5 towards Uxbridge is missing Queens Road (490008811Z)

  • N53 towards Whitehall is missing Westminster Stn / Parliament Square (490015048A)

  • N199 towards Trafalgar Square is missing Bromley South Station (490001037A)

Naptan Code Mismatches / Empty Arrivals:

  • No arrival data for Liverpool Street Station (490000138B)

  • No arrival data for Crescent Road (490019479S)

  • No arrival data for Plevna Road (49000HC186NE)

  • No arrival data for Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN) - H3 arrivals at this stop?

  • No arrival data for Brookland Hill (490000853Z) H3 using 490002166HN in the API arrivals

  • No arrival data for Bostall Heath (490009330Y)

  • No arrival data for Queens Road (490008811Z)

  • No arrival data for Valley Road Surgery (490002131HAR)

  • No arrival data for Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • No arrival data for Epping Forest College (150042002100)

  • No arrival data for Garthland Drive (490003277E1)

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Slough:

  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700158
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700086
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700075
  • “Slough Grammar School” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700308
  • “Sorting Office” Should be (Wexham Road) 03700310

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Hounslow:

  • “Uxbridge Road Sainsbury’s” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700309
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700074
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700087
  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700157
106

Date: 1/3/24
Fixed & Restored:

  • 246 towards Westerham is now serving Biggin Hill Memorial Museum

Issues/others:

  • 189 towards Brent Cross is missing Priory Road (490011237N)

  • 223 towards Harrow View is missing Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • EL1 & EL3 towards Ilford & Little Heath is missing Barking Riverside Station (490002272YX)

  • EL3 towards Little Heath is missing Mallards Road / River Road (490000910Z)

  • U5 towards Uxbridge is missing Queens Road (490008811Z)

  • N53 towards Whitehall is missing Westminster Stn / Parliament Square (490015048A)

  • N199 towards Trafalgar Square is missing Bromley South Station (490001037A)

Naptan Code Mismatches / Empty Arrivals:

  • N̶o̶ ̶a̶r̶r̶i̶v̶a̶l̶ ̶d̶a̶t̶a̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶L̶i̶v̶e̶r̶p̶o̶o̶l̶ ̶S̶t̶r̶e̶e̶t̶ ̶S̶t̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶(̶4̶9̶0̶0̶0̶0̶1̶3̶8̶B̶)̶

  • No arrival data for Crescent Road (490019479S)

  • No arrival data for Plevna Road (49000HC186NE)

  • No arrival data for Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN)

  • No arrival data for Brookland Hill (490000853Z)

  • No arrival data for Bostall Heath (490009330Y)

  • No arrival data for Queens Road (490008811Z)

  • No arrival data for Valley Road Surgery (490002131HAR)

  • No arrival data for Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • No arrival data for Epping Forest College (150042002100)

  • No arrival data for Garthland Drive (490003277E1)

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Slough:

  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700158
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700086
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700075
  • “Slough Grammar School” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700308
  • “Sorting Office” Should be (Wexham Road) 03700310

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Hounslow:

  • “Uxbridge Road Sainsbury’s” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700309
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700074
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700087
  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700157
107

Date: 14/3/24
Stops with Empty Arrivals Now Fixed:

  • Queens Road (490008811Z)

Fixed & Restored:

  • 189 towards Brent Cross is now serving Priory Road (H)

  • 223 towards Harrow View is now serving Grassmere Avenue (N)

  • EL1 & EL3 towards Ilford & Little Heath is now serving Barking Riverside Station

  • U5 towards Uxbridge is now serving Queens Road (W)

Removed:

  • EL3 towards Little Heath may not be serving Mallards Road / River Road (490000910Z)

Issues/others:

  • 346 towards Dagnam Park Square is missing Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN)

  • N53 towards Whitehall is missing Westminster Stn / Parliament Square (490015048A)

  • N199 towards Trafalgar Square is missing Bromley South Station (490001037A)

Naptan Code Mismatches / Empty Arrivals:

  • No arrival data for Crescent Road (490019479S)

  • No arrival data for Plevna Road (49000HC186NE)

  • No arrival data for Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN)

  • No arrival data for Brookland Hill (490000853Z)

  • No arrival data for Bostall Heath (490009330Y)

  • No arrival data for Valley Road Surgery (490002131HAR)

  • No arrival data for Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • No arrival data for Epping Forest College (150042002100)

  • No arrival data for Garthland Drive (490003277E1)

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Slough:

  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700158
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700086
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700075
  • “Slough Grammar School” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700308
  • “Sorting Office” Should be (Wexham Road) 03700310

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Hounslow:

  • “Uxbridge Road Sainsbury’s” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700309
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700074
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700087
  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700157
108

Date: 21/3/24
Issues/others:

  • 346 towards Dagnam Park Square is missing Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN)

  • N53 towards Whitehall is missing Westminster Stn / Parliament Square (490015048A)

  • N199 towards Trafalgar Square is missing Bromley South Station (490001037A)

Naptan Code Mismatches / Empty Arrivals:

  • No arrival data for Crescent Road (490019479S)

  • No arrival data for Plevna Road (49000HC186NE)

  • No arrival data for Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN)

  • No arrival data for Brookland Hill (490000853Z)

  • No arrival data for Bostall Heath (490009330Y)

  • No arrival data for Valley Road Surgery (490002131HAR)

  • No arrival data for Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • No arrival data for Epping Forest College (150042002100)

  • No arrival data for Garthland Drive (490003277E1)

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Slough:

  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700158
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700086
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700075
  • “Slough Grammar School” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700308
  • “Sorting Office” Should be (Wexham Road) 03700310

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Hounslow:

  • “Uxbridge Road Sainsbury’s” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700309
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700074
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700087
  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700157
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Date: 28/3/24
Fixed & Restored:

  • 346 towards Dagnam Park Square is now serving Coltsfoot Path (N)

  • N53 towards Whitehall is now serving Westminster Stn / Parliament Square (A)

  • N199 towards Trafalgar Square is now serving Bromley South Station (A)

Naptan Code Mismatches / Empty Arrivals:

  • No arrival data for Crescent Road (490019479S)

  • No arrival data for Plevna Road (49000HC186NE)

  • No arrival data for Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN)

  • No arrival data for Brookland Hill (490000853Z)

  • No arrival data for Bostall Heath (490009330Y)

  • No arrival data for Valley Road Surgery (490002131HAR)

  • No arrival data for Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • No arrival data for Epping Forest College (150042002100)

  • No arrival data for Garthland Drive (490003277E1)

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Slough:

  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700158
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700086
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700075
  • “Slough Grammar School” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700308
  • “Sorting Office” Should be (Wexham Road) 03700310

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Hounslow:

  • “Uxbridge Road Sainsbury’s” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700309
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700074
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700087
  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700157
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hi @Ajebz - glad that we’ve cleared down your list of missing stops. We’re going to have a stab at looking at those missing arrivals next.

Many thanks,
James

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Thanks @jamesevans, that’s very much appreciated!
:slight_smile:

Many thanks,
A

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Date: 11/4/24
Issues/others:

  • 40 towards Clerkenwell Green is missing Westmoreland Road (490014501L)

  • 189 towards Brent Cross is missing Priory Road (490011237N)

Naptan Code Mismatches / Empty Arrivals:

  • No arrival data for Crescent Road (490019479S)

  • No arrival data for Plevna Road (49000HC186NE)

  • No arrival data for Coltsfoot Path (490002166HN)

  • No arrival data for Brookland Hill (490000853Z)

  • No arrival data for Bostall Heath (490009330Y)

  • No arrival data for Valley Road Surgery (490002131HAR)

  • No arrival data for Grassmere Avenue (490015854Z)

  • No arrival data for Epping Forest College (150042002100)

  • No arrival data for Garthland Drive (490003277E1)

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Slough:

  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700158
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700086
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700075
  • “Slough Grammar School” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700308
  • “Sorting Office” Should be (Wexham Road) 03700310

Incorrect Stop Names for Bus 81 towards Hounslow:

  • “Uxbridge Road Sainsbury’s” Should be (Sussex Place) 03700309
  • “St Bernards Convert” Should be (Langley Road) 03700074
  • “The Toby” Should be (High Street Langley) 03700087
  • “Red Lion” Should be (Horton Road) 03700157
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Hi @Ajebz - I’ve checked the source data on both these routes with @MScanlon and we can’t see those stops listed. Also Countdown is not returning any predictions for those routes at those stops. Can you please advise why they are believed to be missing?

Many thanks,
James

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Hi @jamesevans,

Regarding the 40 route, it’s indeed unusual that predictions were previously available for that stop but are no longer available. However, given that it passes by the bus stop in question and the distance between stops appears longer, it’s reasonable to expect that it should stop at “Westmoreland Road” as it did before, unless there have been recent changes.

Similarly, concerning the 189 route, since it also passes by the same bus stop and the distance between stops seems elongated due to its omission, it’s logical to assume it should also serve Priory Road.

But I just use maps and other resources I can find to back up my belief.

Regards,
A

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This 2022 Google image of the stop shows TfL thought it did then. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Likewise this one.

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Use this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt9z2MtzsZg

Jump to 20:20. It shows the bus stopping at Priory Road but if you go back, the Ibus annoucement sounded for Belsize Road at 18:48 but not for Priory Road. Until Quex Road. But again this is what i can find.

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Judging from the JP Datastore xml files, Priory Road was included in the file with “SCN” 59516, which was present in downloads up to 13/02/24. The next file with “SCN” 59519 excluded it in downloads between 06/02/24 and 26/02/24 then it magically reappeared in the file’s last two appearances, on 05/03/24 and 12/03/24. More recent files 59520 (present 12/03/24 to 26/03/24) and the current one 59521 exclude them again. It is almost as if an error was corrected on 59519 but the correction lost when new files came in. I note that the stop after Quex Road has a similar name - Priory Park Road - but surely this is not leading to confusion.

Westmoreland Road similarly drops in and out for the 40. Again, old Google Street Maps images show 35, 40 and 45 all stopping there.

My guess is that sometimes stops get closed and removed from the stop sequence and that sometimes a template from the closure period is picked up for a new timetable when the stop is actually live and kicking.

I put “SCN” in quotes as these days it is pretty meaningless, bearing no relationship to the SCNs in the working timetables, apart from clearly forming part of a sequence of incremented pseudo-SCNs which started from 59508, a genuine SCN for the route back in August 2021. Since then we have had a run from 59509 to 59521, some of which are genuine SCNs for other routes. The mismatch between Datastore files and WTTs is not helpful in sorting out anomalies. I have no idea why they once lined up and no longer do, other than that the link has no operational significance so nobody bothers with it any more.

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Your guess seems very plausible. I reported last year that the K4 omitted a stop for months and was shown on diversion whilst I sat on K4s operating the normal route. That stop had indeed previously been closed to all routes with everything except the K4 restored promptly when the diversion ended.

120

Hi @Ajebz

The 40/Westmoreland Road issue has been identified as a mistake in the source data system for schedules and will be re-added.

The 189/Priory Road issue has been reported back to the bus data team and we’ll let you know how that proceeds.

Many thanks,
James

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